#30 How change management impacts the agile world. With Arie van Bennekum and Holger Rathgeber

For this episode we invited two important figures when it comes
to change: Arie van Bennekum, co-author of the Agile Manifesto,
and Holger Rathgeber, bestselling author for leadership and
change.


We wanted to bring together the two of them because there are
many touch points between agile transformation and change – but
how big is it? What can organizations experiencing significant
changes learn from agilists? What is necessary to make change
happen?